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    14717 Update: What I've found out so far with Nand dumps!

    Just got done soldering, dumping, updating, dumping, starting games, and dumping again. This was on my Xenon console that was unbanned by MS. There's some serious changes going on with the bootloader and CB. Here are before and after dumps in 360 Flash Dump Tool.
    14717 Update: What I've found out so far with Nand dumps!-update1.png14717 Update: What I've found out so far with Nand dumps!-update2.png
    2BL [CB] has changed from 7373 to 7377. This value has the final say whether your console can be Jtag'd/RGH'd. The 2BL number depends on the motherboard revision.

    4BL [CD] shows up empty.

    5BL [CE] has changed from 1888 to 5968. 5BL has been the same on every console and dash version since Adam walked out of the Garden of Eden. It's never changed. 360FDT also shows the Nand as "Retail Unknown Model" instead of "Retail Xenon (v1.0)".

    The latest version of 360FDT is from 2010. So I started thinking, "Maybe MS changed the format of the Nand a little so that 360FDT can't fully read it anymore."

    For those few of us who have played around with the newest RGLoader (turns your RGH console into a DevKit), a newer tool came with it called RGBuild2. I opened the 14717 dump in it and I was right.

    RGBuild2 shows a 2-stage CB along with the following values:
    CB_A (2BL) = 7377
    CB_B (2BL) = 7377
    CD (4BL) = 7377
    CE (5BL) = 1888 (Still the same)
    6BL and 7BL are still the same. 360FDT now reads a wrong value for 4BL and 5BL.

    For illustration, here's a Nand dump from my MS-refurbished Jasper with a 2-stage CB. It has an 3BL [CB] value (2BL[CBv1] = CB_A; 3BL[CBv2] = CB_B).
    14717 Update: What I've found out so far with Nand dumps!-jasper.png
    360FDT should have showed something similar from my Xenon 14717 Nand dump, so MS obviously changed some things around in the bootloader. 2-Stage CB's prevent PHAT consoles from being RGH'd. This could very well be the start of MS cutting down on the number of RGH-able consoles.

    I know the above is little over most of your heads and you just want to know if anything has changed as far as backups go. This console was flag-free before I updated. After updating, I started a couple of XGD3 games offline and online and dumped the Nand again. Still no flags.

    I don't have the CPU key of this console, so even if did know what to look for as far as new security scheme changes, I couldn't decrypt the KV anyway. As of 3:30 PM MST, none of my other online consoles (3 of them) still haven't asked for the update.

    My instinct says there's nothing in this to try to counter LT+ 3.0 but I'm no authority on anything so take it with a grain of salt.
    Last edited by charincol; 02-14-2012 at 06:06 PM.
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    A long term move on MS part what this is I believe. That or just a go at cutting down on the RGH consoles

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    For the ignorant amongst us, what is it about a 2 stage CB that makes phats un-glitchable and can it be overcome, and if not, why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charincol View Post
    Just got done soldering, dumping, updating, dumping, starting games, and dumping again. This was on my Xenon console that was unbanned by MS. There's some serious changes going on with the bootloader and CB. Here are before and after dumps in 360 Flash Dump Tool.
    Click image for larger version. 

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    2BL [CB] has changed from 7373 to 7377. This value has the final say whether your console can be Jtag'd/RGH'd. The 2BL number depends on the motherboard revision.

    4BL [CD] shows up empty.

    5BL [CE] has changed from 1888 t0 5968. 5BL has been the same on every console and dash version since Adam walked out of the Garden of Eden. It's never changed. 360FDT also shows the Nand as "Retail Unknown Model" instead of "Retail Xenon (v1.0)".

    The latest version of 360FDT is from 2010. So I started thinking, "Maybe MS changed the format of the Nand a little so that 360FDT can't fully read it anymore."

    For those few of us who have played around with the newest RGLoader (turns your RGH console into a DevKit), a newer tool came with it called RGBuild2. I opened the 14717 dump in it and I was right.

    RGBuild2 shows a 2-stage CB along with the following values:
    CB_A (2BL) = 7377
    CB_B (2BL) = 7377
    CD (4BL) = 7377
    CE (5BL) = 1888 (Still the same)
    6BL and 7BL are still the same. 360FDT now reads a wrong value for 4BL and 5BL.

    For illustration, here's a Nand dump from my MS-refurbished Jasper with a 2-stage CB. It has an 3BL [CB] value (2BL[CBv1] = CB_A; 3BL[CBv2] = CB_B).
    Click image for larger version. 

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    360FDT should have showed something similar from my Xenon 14717 Nand dump, so MS obviously changed some things around in the bootloader. 2-Stage CB's prevent PHAT consoles from being RGH'd. This could very well be the start of MS cutting down on the number of RGH-able consoles.

    I know the above is little over most of your heads and you just want to know if anything has changed as far as backups go. This console was flag-free before I updated. After updating, I started a couple of XGD3 games offline and online and dumped the Nand again. Still no flags.

    I don't have the CPU key of this console, so even if did know what to look for as far as new security scheme changes, I couldn't decrypt the KV anyway. As of 3:30 PM MST, none of my other online consoles (3 of them) still haven't asked for the update.

    My instinct says there's nothing in this to try to counter LT+ 3.0 but I'm no authority on anything so take it with a grain of salt.
    it is a little over my head to be honest

    but if i get it right , it might be that MS did something to prevend RGH on consoles?
    but didnt do any updates to the Game protection?

    im already happy when i dont need to backup my games again

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    Fast and good find charincol!

    But im sure we will know even more tomorrow to be sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ICY View Post
    Fast and good find charincol!

    But im sure we will know even more tomorrow to be sure.
    i wonder if i get the update then.
    still didnt got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefakira View Post
    i wonder if i get the update then.
    still didnt got it.
    I dont have it on 3 different consoles ( 2 are clean and one is flagged by the dae.bin ) 2 of them have a opus mobo and one is xenon and non of them have an update.


    Also all my friends and costumers Xbox haven't got a update either.
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    Well i changed the drive over the stock drive to do the update and nothing, played original copy of BF3 for a couple of hours and then cycled the box and still nothing. So I'm assuming that they haven't done the north of England yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmforit View Post
    Well i changed the drive over the stock drive to do the update and nothing, played original copy of BF3 for a couple of hours and then cycled the box and still nothing. So I'm assuming that they haven't done the north of England yet.
    Can't wait until all the team's have figured out what's going on



    Maybe they also stopped truncates ? I bet nobody will risk testing that haha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ICY View Post
    Maybe they also stopped truncates ? I bet nobody will risk testing that haha.
    I wonder..........
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